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Exotic animals as pets?
March 5, 2010 broadcast
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Guest host Jeff Probst: Humans share their lives and homes with wildlife tonight.
Dangerous, unpredictable creatures can become violent without warning.
Maim, maim, and even kill people who take care of them. (
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Unidentified man: Who is killing your friend?
My chimpanzee. (END VIDEO CLIP)
They like snakes, lizards, cats and chimpanzees.
Deadly animal attractions revealed.
But first, Jaycee Dugard saw and heard the tape for the first time in public 18 years after her alleged kidnapping's backyard was imprisoned.
We'll show you how she looks and how she sounds.
We received a response from Ed Smart and a woman accused of abuse by a man who kidnapped Jaycee.
Next is Larry King.
Thank you for joining me. I'm Jeff probrist sitting in Kim.
Jaycee Dugard was kidnapped, raped and twice pregnant at the age of 11 and miraculously returned to his family after 18 years in captivity.
She sends a message to millions of people who follow her dramatic story.
I did a good job, she said.
It was a long process but I have arrived.
Jaycee made this positive statement in a recently filmed home video exclusively acquired by ABC.
Earlier, the Internet broadcast excerpts of the video on Good Morning America.
"They showed Jaycee a short conversation with the camera.
She was riding a horse and even doing holiday baking.
That is 29-year-
The old Jaycee on the left, her mother on the right, the big side in the middle of her mother, and the one on the right is half of her --sister.
In addition, in the family video, Jaycee Chan spoke to the public. (
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Christmas, the execution of the age of being kidnapped: Hello, I am Jaycee. (END VIDEO CLIP)
PROBST: We would like to talk about these new photos from Jaycee that may reveal how she adjusted and her mother's request for privacy for her family.
On 1976, a brave woman named Katie Callaway Hall joined us in Las Vegas, who was kidnapped and raped by Philip Garrido.
He was sentenced to 50 years in prison and released on parole at the age of 11.
Garrido was accused of kidnapping and attacking Jaycee.
Ed Smart joined us from Salt Lake City.
His daughter Elizabeth is from her bedroom in June 20 to the current situation of the times.
She was found nine months later.
The man accused of kidnapping and raping her has recently been ruled capable of being tried.
Katie, you 've experienced this kind of thing yourself, and what do you think about seeing these home videos from Jaycee?
Katie caraway Hall was kidnapped and raped by Philip Garrido at 1976: I think Jaycee looks very good.
I think they have made great progress in this healing process, which will only happen over time.
This is a process.
It takes time.
This is what they are asking.
They just ask for time to be alone and continue their treatment.
Ed, you 've experienced something similar when you're dealing with the media.
Looking at this family video released by the family themselves, what do you think?
Ed Smart, DAUGTER was kidnapped and held for nine months: You know, I think Jaycee did a good job.
I am happy for her and I agree very much with her mother.
Keep her out of the public eye and be able to basically re-
Involved in life, I think she looks great.
You know, Elizabeth loves horses and had a great time with them, so I think Jaycee seems to have done a very, very good job.
PROBST: You know, Ed, in this video, they clearly show normal activities, normal family activities, hugs, laughs, having fun, baking cookies.
Is this ring true to you when you are reunited?
Very smart.
You know, I remember the night Elizabeth went home was very clear, you know, I said before, how she said, I want to go back, in the morning, when she wants to sleep in bed, instead of sleeping in the room, I will be there.
And, you know, the resilience of people is amazing and I am very happy for Jaycee and her family.
I just feel like, you know, what a wonderful party it is, what a wonderful way to continue your life.
You know, with someone who absolutely loves you and cares about you.
Katie, it's hard to get into anyone's mind, you're not a psychologist, but do you think it's possible that part of this information is also a little bit of contempt for the public and the people accused of doing so, do you know?
I did a great job no matter what I went through, and I want you to know that I did a good job.
Hall: I think so. I think it's the way that Fang's name will let him know.
I mean, he wants to communicate with a lawyer, maybe she just uses the media in her own way.
I think she has a huge personality advantage and I think we should attribute that to the way her mother Terry raised her in the first 11 years.
I think it might be the only way she survived the whole ordeal.
You know, my pain compared to what Elizabeth and Jaycee experienced was just a little episode on the radar, but it did affect my life.
I just think Jaycee is doing a good job right now.
PROBST: You know, it's worth noting that in just six months, Jaycee has got her driver's license and she has a birth certificate for two daughters, she gave birth to two daughters during her captivity and she is trying to finish high school, GED.
Despite all the benefits, Ed, is there anything bad about this kind of posting video they're doing and posting photos to people and stuff like that?
Smart: I think there is really, I think they did a good job of helping her.
You know, for me, it means, you know, this terrible event happened in my life.
I know this is what Elizabeth thinks, but my life will not be dominated and defined by it.
You know, I just think what they do is exactly what they should do.
I applaud the family.
Katie and Ed, thank you both for joining us.
Thank you for your insight and share your thoughts with us.
I'm sure we'll talk to you again soon.
All right.
We are now changing the subject matter to a large extent.
We are talking about people who love their exotic pets.
Deadly animal attractions
Larry King's next show live. (
Business break)
Welcome back to Larry King.
I'm Jeff Probst, sitting here tonight for Larry.
Everyone is exotic and not as rare as you think.
We'll see how and why people get these incredible creatures.
Is it good for animals?
Is it safe for the owner?
All of this is to look forward to the Animal Planet deadly attraction series, which premiered on Sunday, March 14.
Julie Bross is talking about it with us.
She was the owner of a panther until she was brutally attacked by a cat.
Dave Salmoni and Josephine Martell, a large predator expert on Animal Planet, are animal welfare policy experts and project directors of the Global Federation of Animal Sanctuary.
Let's take a look at what happened to Julie on an ordinary afternoon of February. (
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JULIE burros was she of pet leopard attack the: that's February 9 of 2004.
I did everything I always did.
I fed him that morning.
Later that day, I went to stay with him, and as soon as I closed the door behind him, he jumped up, and that's when it all started. (END VIDEO CLIP)
PROBST: Okay.
Julie, before we know what happened that day, take us back to the beginning. Why a leopard?
Where is the idea that this will be a good pet to have?
BURROS: Well, it's not a good idea, but it's something I 've always wanted since I was a girl, a little girl.
It took me a long time to know that I could get one of these animals.
How do you get one?
BURROS: Actually, I found him in a rare magazine with different rare animal breeders.
What is its cost?
He was $1800.
Looks cheap.
BURROS: Yes, it's cheap.
How did the cat come?
Did you call someone?
No, actually, I have to pick him up.
I had to drive for hours to find him.
You're worried at all times--
You are picking up a wild cat, a wild animal.
Did you put it behind the car?
BURROS: he was a cub when I bought it for him. He was like 9. 5 weeks old. And, he just --
I put him in the car.
And the attack was very serious and cruel.
He hit the back of your head, right?
BURROS: Yes.
What happened that day?
BURROS: It's just a normal routine.
I entered his cage and was with him.
Usually I will test his mood to see what kind of sound he will make and see if I can really go and spend time with him.
I know the difference is that I won't bother him if he doesn't want to be disturbed, you know.
But he licked my hand, so I went in. As soon as I did, he jumped up and I immediately protected my arm.
We have some pictures when you tell the story and we will vomit here.
I just wanted to give you a warning that they are graphic photos so you have to be prepared.
Julie, you can take a look at these pictures and tell us what's going on.
That's the back of your head.
BURROS: Yes. He actually --
When he jumped up, his teeth stuck in my ear on the way from the jump down, and he went back.
Like he shut me up rudely.
His body language doesn't seem to kill me.
Like, he wants to be rude. house.
Dave, how much stronger is a leopard than a human being?
Dave salmoni, a big predator expert on Animal Planet: We think the wild leopard.
They are going to eat five times their weight on a tree.
So, you know, thousands
Animals are things that can be killed.
So, you know, they're designed to kill people, so you can't really match the human power.
Even the largest human race cannot match. up.
No comparison.
SALMONI: not even close.
Josephine, you're listening to this.
What do you think about this, because I think a lot of people watching would say that this may not be the normal behavior of someone who wants to have a leopard.
Julie, I'm not saying there's something wrong with it.
What are you taking?
Josephine Martell, an expert on animal welfare policy: Surprisingly, it is estimated that there are about 20,000 captive large cats in the United States that are privately owned and that they are not recognized by the zoo, nor is it a legal sanctuary.
They are on the side of the road, in the backyard of the people.
Dave, what's going on with Julie, is this inevitable?
Does this happen when predators, animals can't become predators?
I mean, predators, animals are always predators.
Unfortunately, it's one thing people forget, or, you know, I 've met a lot of people like this and the thought of it not happening to me.
I think most of the people who deal with these large predators know that they will kill people, but they just think that it won't be me.
I'm raising him from the baby.
I will love it so much that it will never do that to me.
PROBST: We will discuss the psychology of this issue in a later program.
Next, chimpanzees may look cute, but they can hurt people or even kill people.
There are two of our next guests.
As you can see in this live photo, she is not worried at all. Stay with us. We'll be back. (
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Welcome back to Larry King.
We're talking about exotic pets and the people who have them next --
As for the story we just had with Julie and the leopard.
The leopard was shot dead on the day of the attack.
So, this is a footnote.
Jenny Rizzo is joining us now.
She has two male chimpanzees, Connor and Kramer.
They have a relationship with Travis.
You may remember 200.
Chara Nash, a pound chimpanzee with a tortured face, also lost her hand in the attack.
Jenny Rizotto
Welcome, Jenny.
We saw you in a cage with a chimpanzee.
What is the appeal?
Why do you make sense to have these wild animals and live with them?
Jenny rizoto, the owner of the two chimpanzees: Well, it doesn't make sense anymore, but when I first got them, it did.
How long have you been eating?
RIZZOTTO: eight years.
April will be eight years.
Eight years, what was the initial idea?
They are very cute. They are very small?
RIZZOTTO: You know, it's like something.
I'm in a good position financially and I have the ability to get them and I get--
Paid Conor 50,000, and a few years later I paid Cramer 35,000 and left from there.
So, you're investing almost $100,000 in these two chimpanzees, and the enclosure is going to cost quite a bit of money.
How much does it cost to raise them?
RIZZOTTO: I would say I feed them about $15,000 a year.
My outdoor enclosure cost me 100,000 and my indoor enclosure cost me about 50,000.
What we're seeing now is the life of these chimpanzees, which I have to say is interesting.
It aroused my interest.
Dave, what's the difference between you, a person trained to handle such animals, and people like Jenny have this great idea that it would be interesting to have a few chimpanzees.
The only difference is education.
You know, I have my degree and I have been an animal trainer for 12 years.
I am subject to professional restrictions on how to take care of these animals.
I understand the will to do this, but if you want to do something like this, you really have to do it in a professional way and take care of the animals in such a way, you know, you can manage with their life you can manage and they will be taken care of healthily.
Like she said, they become very expensive.
Jenny, you know your chimpanzee has something to do with Travis.
When that terrible thing happened, did it give you any second thoughts about raising these chimpanzees?
RIZZOTTO: No.
I want to bring you back to the gentleman who just spoke.
PROBST: Yes.
RIZZOTTO: First of all, you know, as a coach,-
There's a lot of difference between having a bunch of education and 24/7. on-one.
My chimpanzees are not an entertainment, I don't use them for commercial advertising, they are not around people and they are well protected.
All my cages are zoos.
Recognized standards.
Basically, to be honest, I can't see you over there, but I won't argue with you. (CROSSTALK)
Jeanne st: The key, I think, is Jenny. . .
But you don't know because you don't have a chimpanzee.
You're just continuing training, hitting them in the head, hitting them with things to make sure they do what they do and reaching out to them. . .
I'm going to interrupt you for a while, Jenny.
Jenny, we're running out of time on this, but let me ask you a quick answer.
You do understand credibility, right?
You look like a good woman, but you just-
You're a woman who raised some chimpanzees a few years ago.
You will understand the criticism.
No, I don't feel at all, because everyone should be criticized.
Not because I'm a woman, but because I have a chimpanzee.
Everyone should be criticized for having a chimpanzee, a coach or a breeder, and we should all be criticized.
It's not just because I own them.
We should all be criticized for having anything to do with chimpanzees.
I have to interrupt you, Jenny.
Sorry, I know it's hard for you not to be here.
RIZZOTTO: OK.
Probrist: What's the matter with people who want exotic animals like Jenny as pets?
Why not dogs, cats, goldfish?
When we come back, we will find psychological answers.
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PROBST: we are talking about exotic animals again with the owner of the chimpanzee, Jenny Rizzo, and we are now with Dr. Jenny Rizzo.
Michelle logic Michelle Golland, a clinical psychologist and contributor. com. Dr.
Golland, you 've been listening to this, we just had a very healthy exchange between an expert and a woman and she would say that even if I don't have a degree, I'm an expert. PSY. D.
Michelle golland, a clinical psychologist: Yes.
Question: mentally, what do you think about people who want to have wildlife?
Okay, there are a few things.
First of all, Jeff, what we have to remember is that people are attached to their animals in such a strong way.
I mean, you know, people think they're a family.
So I think what we have to see in this case is, how does the selection of these animals or these animals affect our level of functioning?
If I sit with a client and I find that they are dealing with major financial issues because they can't afford what they are doing or they don't see their family anymore, or they can't afford to feed the animals, but they will continue to do so and then we are talking about--
These are some deep ones.
Fundamental issues that need to be studied.
Jeanne st: We'll find you, Jenny, and I know we're talking about you, but haven't talked to you yet.
Is there a commonality in behavior or society?
Usually, people who have pets, do they have a relationship?
Or do they tend to be alone?
Because, for me, it seems to be more unusual than usual.
GOLLAND: Well, I think the problem when we look at these examples of chimpanzees is that it takes so much energy, time and money to really do this, if it is not a serious problem in your life, it is a very difficult thing.
Jenny, have you heard this before?
Is there anyone else in your life who said, you know, it seems wrong.
You should talk to someone about this.
Is this crazy?
RIZZOTTO: Well, actually, this is how I feel.
I shouldn't have a chimpanzee. No one should have a chimpanzee.
People should not have chimpanzees.
However, I bought the chimpanzee and I am now doing my best to be with the chimpanzee.
I like chimpanzees--
I have a great sanctuary and would love to have them go.
If someone can take my chimpanzees and it's better than where they are now, it's a challenge and I'll take them there tomorrow.
No one, however. . . (CROSSTALK)
Jeanne st: Jenny, are you a little upset then?
No, not at all.
I know it's time. -
I have overcome the fact that the chimpanzee needs to be with other chimpanzees, which is very difficult for the owner of the chimpanzee.
I think the lady who just spoke-
Sorry I don't remember your name because I don't see anyone here.
So, it's a little hard, but I understand what you're talking about and she's right. She is right.
We fell in love with these creatures and actually said we made a mistake, crossed the hump and started doing the right thing for the chimpanzee, that's what you need to do and I'm here.
So, doctor. Golland?
GOLLAND: Yes.
I just wanted--first of all--
RIZZOTTO: So, while I was there, I was giving them the best life I could.
So, I want to say something.
Jenny, I think it is very important that you have admitted this.
By acknowledging this and realizing it, what can you do ---your love --
I can only imagine how much you love them and take care of them like your children.
I can understand this very well.
But I think it's not good for people to understand that it could be a problem and you can have the best intentions, but it's really going on a very dangerous path.
I would really contact Jenny if there was anyone. Please.
I mean, maybe that's it. . .
PROBST: Yes.
She is looking for a shelter if someone is outside.
GOLLAND: anyone who is watching, anyone who is thinking about doing what you do, I think it is very important that you say so that no one is in the position where she is now.
You're really brave to say that.
PROBST: Yes.
Thank you for being with us, Jenny. -yes?
RIZZOTTO: OK.
I just wanted to say that I wanted to invite the owners of the other chimpanzees to talk to me because I did understand what that meant and admit that we should not do what we are doing, we need to put them together with the other chimpanzees.
I would be happy to help them.
It's hard for me, I like them, but they need to be with the chimpanzees.
Like I said, you know, I'm not going to let them go backwards either and put them in a home that's less than they have, but I would be more than happy to put them in a better place than what they have or at least what I offer them now.
Thanks Jenny. All right. Who spoke --is it --
When did something go wrong?
Is it the animal's fault, or the owner's fault, the brother of the woman who was wounded by the chimpanzee Travis has some ideas about it.
He's coming. Stick around. (
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We are talking about the issue of the chimpanzee as a pet and the dangers it poses.
On Sunday, March 14, the Animal Planet's "Deadly Attraction" premiered.
Michael Nash joins us.
His twin sister, Charla, was wounded by the chimpanzee Travis.
And Jenny Rizotto, who has two chimpanzees and a doctor.
Clinical psychologist Michelle Golland
Michael, when your sister was attacked by 200, she became an unfortunate international headline.
Then she bravely boarded Oprah's show, talked about it, and showed its damage.
What did she tell you that day?
Sister Michael Nash was wounded: she can't remember the day.
She couldn't think of it at all.
She was in a coma for two months and when she came out it took her brain three or four months to get back to normal.
Okay, Michael, I'll have it for you.
We're going to hear the terrible 911 call from Travis's owner, Sandra herder. Take a listen. (
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Unidentified man: 911, where is your emergency?
Female: alarm.
Man: What's the problem?
Unidentified woman: the chimpanzee killed my friend!
Unidentified man: Who is killing your friend?
My chimpanzee.
Your chimpanzee is killing your friend.
He tore her in half. Hurry up.
Unidentified man: What is the monkey doing?
He tore her face off. She's dead.
Why did you say she was dead?
She's dead.
He tore her apart.
Did he tear her face?
Woman: everything.
He tore her in half?
I think I'm going to faint.
Man: Breathe, okay?
I will stay with you on the phone before they arrive.
Man: please hurry up. (END VIDEO CLIP)
This is a farce, Michael.
She lost her hands.
She lost her eyelids and her nose.
She has moved her eyes away now, so she can't see it anymore.
How is she doing today?
She did a good job. She's happy.
She even called me and told me this would happen tonight.
I told her to listen to me.
So she seems to do a good job.
You know, Sandra, your sister and pet owner, are very close friends.
They are not close.
They're not good friends?
Nash: not very close.
They are enough friends. She is visiting there.
Yes, yes.
She works for her.
PROBST: OK. All right.
We got some new information.
Let's hear what Sandra said from time to time, and I want to ask you what the relationship between the two women is today. (
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Charlotte's injury was terrible.
She lost her hands and the bones in the middle of her face were crushed.
She has no nose, no lips and no vision.
When Charra fought for her life, Sandra was asked if she still thought the chimpanzee should be a pet.
Sandra herder, own the chimpanzee: will I do it again? Yes.
What happened was terrible and I had to do what I had to do but I still--
I will miss him all my life. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Michael, hear her reaction that nothing will change.
Nash: everything she does has this typical behavior.
So I'm not surprised at all.
Don't surprise you.
Jenny, I don't think you have the same reaction.
According to what you said earlier, are you a little worried that the longer you have these chimpanzees, the more likely they are to be attacked?
RIZZOTTO: You know, I have no fear of my own chimpanzee, but I do have fear of other people's.
So, really, the answer is--
I can really answer Sandra because I can't imagine-
There are so many victims here.
So I can't imagine the feeling that she had to stab her own chimpanzee, the lady was so wounded.
The only thing I do is that I think it will help me, and I want the owners of other chimpanzees to do the same, and I am starting to create a better environment for myself right away.
I made it safer, I had an assessor coming out and I took it from there because I didn't want to see it again.
I certainly don't want this to happen to my chimpanzee.
PROBST: Michelle Golland, now on the one hand, Jeanne sounds like she understands it's not a good idea, on the other hand, we only have a few seconds here, on the other hand, she says, but my chimpanzee is fine.
GOLLAND: Yes.
I think this is part of what happens to animal owners of dangerous pets who believe they are unique and they are special and they can handle it, or their relationship with pets the animal somehow transcends the true nature of the animal.
This is just a false belief.
Thank you, doctor, for being with us.
A man's pet lizard killed him and ate him. It's true.
The next show of Larry King's live broadcast is the deadly attraction. (
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Unidentified male: Further investigation begins to find evidence that Hefu was bitten a few days before his death.
In the past, he was strong enough to fight infection, but it might be too late when he realized that the symptoms exceeded him.
The first one may be the bad luck of Herff.
But now he's not prepared.
Ron Harf's death was terrible.
But for those who understand him, it seems that it is because he cares more about the welfare of the pet than he does. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Therefore, we welcome you back to the scene of Larry King.
I'm Jeff sitting next to Larry tonight?
Josephine Martell is back. She is an expert in animal welfare policy.
Psychologist Michelle Golland is also here.
Here's Winston card.
Winston is a reptile who made his first appearance on Animal Planet in March 14 at the "Deadly Attraction.
Winston, we have just heard that Ron Hef was not killed by the giant lizard, but the story of being eaten by the giant lizard.
Does it make sense to have a house of lizards as pets?
Is this working in the right case?
Crawler scientist Winston card: it may not make sense to me or you, but it makes sense to Ron.
There are a lot of other people who do this and have real passion for animals.
Question: Is there a different attraction or is the person who wants the reptile different from the person who is the chimpanzee.
With the champion, there may be some recognition.
I guess you won't do much to monitor lizards other than watching them.
Card: there is a difference.
We tend to do this, and I say we are because of course I am one of these people, because we are all passionate about animals.
We are more interested in the inner part of animals, their behavior.
There are many species of reptiles and amphibians that you can stay at home.
You can't put it in the backyard if you're interested in a hippo, but if you're interested in reptiles, you can leave any of them at home.
PROBST: How serious is it to monitor lizard bites and infections?
Card: whether it's a reptile or a big cat, infection, any predator can cause a fairly serious infection by taking a bite.
PROBST: Josephine, is this common in your work for a person with reptiles?
Martell: Yes, we must have seen it on the big cat.
People often have 10 to 20 Tigers.
PROBST: Will Ron have a chance, Winston? -
You know, they roamed his house. -
If these animals are kept in cages or in separate places, does this make it safe or is it always at risk, like all these wild animals?
Card: I think any time you bring any wild animals into your home, even some domestic animals, there is a certain risk.
The risk of some wildlife has increased significantly.
I think in Ron's case it has a lot to do with his personality, and a lot of people who raise lots of wildlife are the same.
PROBST: Dr.
Unfortunately, Ron was not with us and it was a deadly attack.
Is this the case with clinical diagnosis?
Is this a mental illness?
GOLLAND: it could be a mental illness, and I fully respect the passion for these kinds, whether it's reptiles, chimpanzees or whatever.
But when it starts to change
You know, consumption and someone hurt themselves physically because they only create the environment for lizards and lose themselves again, it looks like he keeps the apartment and all this to a certain extent, they ran there.
There is an element of hoarding and obsession --
Obsessive-compulsive disorder that seems likely to play here.
PROBST: Thank you for your insight into this constantly engaging story.
Next is the story of a woman and her poisonous snake.
Why would someone have one or more of the things we're going to talk about as a doctor?
After the break, Golland just said that animals are hoarding. (
Business break)
Anderson Cooper, cnn anchor: The president is about to flip on the 360 show --
He vowed to try some terror suspects in a New York civil court.
It starts to look like it, and the left is not happy.
Why did the president obviously change his mind tonight, what does that mean for the midterm elections.
David Gergen, Jeff Tobin weighed.
Also tonight, new details about the people who showed up at the Pentagon yesterday to kill.
He is obsessed with conspiracy theories and mental history.
Let's take a look at his motives and what might have driven him.
All of this, plus my conversation with Kelly Rippa, who she thought would take the Oscar home and why she wouldn't be at the Oscars this weekend, but might be hanging out with Lou Dobbs.
We will explain it with "360" at the top of the hour. (
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Unidentified male: When he rushed into the emergency room, Alexander Hall still had the heart to tell her doctor what bit her.
The hospital treated her with a common snake.
Do what they can to keep her alive.
Alexander Hall told the doctor how she was bitten, but then she lost consciousness.
Within two days, she died of cerebral hemorrhage. (END VIDEO CLIP)
Welcome back to Larry King.
We are now with a friend and we will find this friend in a moment, but Winston, before we introduce this person who is getting closer and closer to me the next day, in fact, he is coming to say hello now. The story we just saw is your participation. Basically, what happened is that she was bitten by a snake, went to the hospital and got a general reaction. venom.
They have no concrete reaction. venom.
What did you see?
Wow this is awesome, I can't say I'm totally comfortable, Larry, your mic may not be here when we finish watching the show, but when you go to the house, the snake is not her only thing. CARD: No.
Alexander has collected about 30 animals.
About half of them are poisonous snakes.
Not particularly unusual.
In Cincinnati, Alexander was killed by her poisonous snake. In the same year, two other bites occurred in the same city.
One of them died.
The other man survived.
What kind of snake is this?
This is a Burmese python.
It's obviously albinism.
This is not the normal color of it.
So this is really the mother of all the big snakes.
This is the biggest and I think it's the most common when people decide they want a big snake.
Yes, these are common in pet trade.
In fact, most of the animals you are talking about today are born in captivity.
There is a huge industry in the United States. S.
These animals are rarely brought in from the wild.
Probrist: you can surf the Internet, is this like the wild, the Wild West ---
I went this afternoon and found out that I might have a lot of exotic pets in a few days.
Card: Yes, one of these Burmese giant snakes, a female can produce 50 offspring in a year.
Therefore, if the animal is to breed for five to six years, a snake can give birth to many babies.
Josephine st: Josephine, we are also talking about the idea of hoarding, just like this woman who has so many animals at home.
What do you know about hoarding? How do you classify?
What makes someone a loyalty?
Animal hoarding is considered a disease.
It is defined as the accumulation of large numbers of animals, and the lack of minimum standards of care for these animals as mentioned by doctors, lack of insight into failure, and denial of the consequences of failure.
In the case of dangerous foreign animals, such as chimpanzees, cats and dangerous reptiles, this failure is more obvious because these animals need special care, diet and control, and pose a huge security threat to the community and owners themselves.
Dr. Goran, how do you wrap all this up?
Can you capture all of this, all the different animals we have, the different types of people who have them?
GOLLAND: Yes.
I think it is very important to understand that we are passionate about our animals, which is actually very relevant to the childhood your first guest was talking about, about the black cat she liked
But what we have to keep in mind is that it can't damage our functionality.
If it is destroying our social world, our relationships, our economic situation, it is time to take a serious look at ourselves and our decisions about pets.
Winston, answer your last question quickly.
I feel uneasy about this snake here.
Obviously, I don't want to have one.
What is so fascinating to have a deadly snake?
Card: I don't know.
I can ask people who own a chimpanzee.
I don't understand.
I like these animals and they are different whenever I have the chance to sit down and talk to someone about them for a few hours.
So charming.
So can you convince me to take this Burmese python home?
Card: I don't want you to take it home, but I can definitely let you see the value of it.
PROBST: Okay.
Okay, our next guest, look at this one, it's definitely another beautiful animal.
But this lynx cat is more than just a bigger and better cat.
We will walk in the wild.
Larry King returned immediately after that. (
Business break)
Dave st: Dave Salmoni is a big predator expert on the Animal Planet, where he has a large predator, a lynx. Who is this?
Dave salmon, Animal Planet: this is bumer.
He was comfortable when you were here. You're OK.
Just touch it on his back.
Away from the head.
This is an advantage type of thing.
If you are raising an animal, some of these pet owners should probably know everything.
PROBST: Well, you know, I don't think I would care to touch him as much as I do before this show starts.
Is there anything you can do here to make this safe?
Absolutely.
I mean, in fact, some people are not trained to bring these pets at all, they are not going to be good pets, they should not be pets.
There are people who know how to take care of wildlife.
We have a certified zoo and we have some people who have spent several years working on how to best take care of these animals.
I think that's what we have to realize. There are animals--
If I bring this animal home-
You might die.
In fact, it's like a woman in a chimpanzee, the animals are big enough that they will eventually betray her.
You keep testing in the well and they will come to you.
Predators are predators.
Their intuition will work.
The man is very meek, he is trained and raised well around people.
But the truth is, his gut tells me that I want to kill something.
If you are the only one around him, he will try it eventually.
PROBST: So, after this whole hour, have we had time to talk to all these people ---
Is there any time that it makes sense for an untrained person to have such a pet, even though they may think they are qualified?
I think the obvious answer is never.
These are not pets.
You can't even use the word exotic animals and pets in the same sentence.
You can't tame wild animals.
You can train them, you can handle them, you can't tame them.
So you can train them, but they are never Meek, which means they are always wild.
This is a wild animal.
You can take the chimpanzees and put them in the diaper and you can give this guy a bottle but it's a wild animal.
They are always wild animals.
These instincts are far more powerful than all your love and hugs over the years.
They end up trying something on you because it's something the body tells them to do.
How old is this cat?
This guy is an adult.
I think he's been six years.
Will he be bigger?
This is his size.
This is probably the biggest one.
This is actually the lynx in Siberia, probably the largest of all lynx.
In fact, I mean I only saw him recently and I was a little surprised how big he was.
So I think it's brave for you to come and shoot him.
PROBST: I feel a little brave right now because I'm not feeling well every time he turns his head and looks back at me.
This is the problem.
I can see his beard coming back, his ears moving forward, no breathing, no staring at you.
I know he didn't give any indication that he was going to kill you, but I also knew I was going to grab this belt.
I'm staying here. I 've already told you to keep pets here.
These are the safety precautions I know in my 12 years of experience.
PROBST: Back to the topic we talked to Jenny before, did we? -
Do you often hear this?
Jenny said very honestly, look, I know it's not a good idea, but I have to say I get along well with my chimpanzee.
Do you often hear this? I'm OK.
SALMONI: that's it.
Everyone has their relationship.
Everyone thinks they won't be that person.
They all know that others will be attacked, but they will not be targeted.
I compare it to someone driving out on a highway.
We all know that someone has been killed in a car accident, but we always think that we will not be that person.
Unfortunately for wildlife, if you don't know what you're doing, you'll always be that person.
Are we in trouble with laws and regulations?
SALMONI: I think we definitely need to look at the people who are doing it right.
They need to sit together and try to come up with laws that prevent people from making these pets.
Get rid of those black markets, get rid of those people who put these animals in their backyard to have a negative impact on these animals, put these animals in a situation where they will not only kill people, but they are killed themselves
So these animals are definitely the ones that have been hurt in this regard.
Thank you, Dave.
Larry, I know why you're resting at night.
OK. It's a pleasure to be here.
Larry, thank you for letting me in.
It's time for Anderson Cooper and. C. 360.